Kidney Disease Cat Food

| February 14, 2010 | 110 Comments

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Whether or not you are facing a kidney problem with your cat or you are trying to head one off, there is some kidney disease cat food on the market.

If you are trying to avoid kidney problems it is important to remember that you want to have a high moisture and a low phosphorus and sodium content in the foods you feed your kitty. Some of the best healthy foods on the market are:

  • Prowl by The Honest Kitchen
  • Merrick
  • Wellness
  • Evo
  • Eagle Pak
  • Felidae

However, if you are already having issues and are looking for diets for cat kidney problems, then you’ll want to pay attention to the phosphorus and sodium content. At this point, dry food should not even be an option. For awhile it was recommended putting cats on a low protein diet to help take some of the pressure off of the ailing kidneys. This is now not usually recommended. Cats have higher protein requirements then many other animals so it would make sense that your cat should maintain protein intake to give the body energy for the fight ahead of it. Cats that are facing kidney problems should eat the same types of food as healthy cats—only it is more important that you are feeding high quality foods such as the ones listed above. Corn, wheat and bi-products are big no-no’s and should be avoided at all costs.

If your cat has been diagnosed with a chronic problem and you need to find a good kidney disease cat food there are a few specialty foods on the market. These foods usually require a prescription from your vet. The main prescription cat foods on the market for kidney issues are:

  • Hill’s K/D
  • Royal Canin Renal LP21
  • Eukanuba Multi Stage Renal Diet
  • Purina NF Kidney Function

Some of the biggest difference prescription diets have over the commercial diets is the higher levels of Vitamin B and the added Potassium. They are also lower in Protein, Phosphorus and Sodium.

Whether you are doing research on the best foods out there or you need to make a decision fast there are some very good kidney friendly cat food resources on the net:

Feline CRF (Chronic Renal Failure) – Which Foods

Consumer Research – Cat Food

Some readers have reported that making sure a renal failure kitties drink enough water is very important to keep the kidneys flushed. Cats like fresh water, so often times kitties are more encouraged to drink water when it comes from a cat water fountain like the one from Pioneer Pet or even a ceramic cat water fountain from Thirsty Cat Fountains – use coupon code “floppycat2012” to get 10% off your purchase.

Do you have a recommended food for kidney friendly cat food? Please contact Floppycats.com and let us know!

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Hi, I’m Jenny Dean, creator of Floppycats! Ever since my Aunt got the first Ragdoll cat in our family, I have loved the breed. Inspired by my childhood Ragdoll cat, Rags, I created Floppycats to connect, share and inspire other Ragdoll cat lovers around the world,

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  1. Kitty Lebens says:

    Thank you very much. This was helpful. I was still thinking low protien for kidney issues.

  2. Holly says:

    Thanks for the information on this website! However, you contradict yourself in the info you give and I am hoping for a little clarification:

    You say that I should avoid “Corn, wheat and bi-products… at all costs” for my cat with a kidney problem, but then you recommend prescription cat foods that are loaded with such things. My vet recently prescribed my cat with Hill’s, and when she hated that, Purina. Having recently researched the food we were feeding our cats and deciding we would only give them grain-free food with no by-products from now on, I was disgusted to read the ingredients lists on both the Hill’s and Purina foods. There is no way those foods can be better for my cat, and I’m seriously questioning the intelligence of the vet I took my cat to. So, which is it: Good, human-grade, healthy food with no grains or animal by-products or crappy “prescription” diets filled with all sorts of questionable items from questionable corporations? I think the answer is obvious!

    • admin says:

      Holly,

      Not sure you wanted a response – looks like you already have the answer. Nonetheless, I am not a doc and this page is to provide information, not offer advice. I’d appreciate knowing what you find out, so we can share it. Did you check out the http://www.felinecrf.org/which_foods.htm website? It is fantastic and will provide the resources you’re looking for in this situation.

      Jenny

    • Cara says:

      I caught this same contradiction right away. Thanks for taking the time to point it out. I am also disgusted with the ingredient list on the Hills KD that was just prescribed for my cat. I am still lost as to what food I should feed my cat.

      • Jenny says:

        Cara, my apologies – I wrote this page back in 2008 when my cat was dying of CRF. I have not had a chance to update it with what I know now – since I had addressed it in the comments, I figured it was OK until I got to it. Sounds like I need to make some changes, so I will do so tonight. Does your kitty have kidney disease? How old is s/he? Thanks.

        • Lisa says:

          Jenny – I just found our that my cat Spice has Kidney disease. She is 17 yrs old. The Vet prescribed prescription K/D feline. Looking forward to your updated info.

          • Jenny says:

            Hi Lisa, Sorry to hear about your kitty. This page has been updated with websites to reference further. I would suggest not feeding a dry food anymore.

            Here’s another website to review: http://www.littlebigcat.com/health/kidney-disease-in-older-cats/

            Be sure to read the other comments on this post and if you find out more valuable information, please be sure to share it here for others.

            Good luck,
            Jenny

          • Rhett says:

            I also have my 17 year old with kidney problems after that was diagnosed i put my cat on a raw turkey diet and guess what alot of his issues are now gone. There is to much crap put into our pets food aka how the vets make their money off of felines and dogs alike, They arent meant to eat wheat corn ash etc.

          • Jenny says:

            WOW – that is AWESOME – congrats and good for you for doing that. So do you give him bits and pieces? How does it work? Do you buy a raw bird? Was it hard to get him to be interested in eating a raw turkey?

          • Lisa says:

            Update, well it’s been over a year know and Spice is doing well :) She has a bit of a cough but I don’t want to stress her again by taking her to the vet. She gets Wellness (grain free) canned cat food the only ones she likes are chicken or turkey, She also sometimes gets Chicken I cook or raw, a bit of steak raw or rare, and once a week she shares a raw egg with Maia ( dog ) I know it’s not the best but she loves them. Oh, I let her out when were home and the weather is nice so she can graze a bit and I have cat grass growing in the house, she also gets some cat-nip – I think this roughage helps with the digestion.

      • Kim says:

        Cara, I highly recommend you contact Dr. Lisa Pierson through http://www.catinfo.org she is a firm believer NOT to reduce the protein content but to reduce the phosphorus, etc. to help slow down the progression of kidney disease. She will set up a consultation with you, review your cats lab results and create a proper home made diet that is so easy to prepare and healthy for your kitty. I do it for my kitty and I’m not comfortable cooking but it’s so easy! Her website is very informative about many things and she knows what she’s talking about. I too caught the contradiction and it really ticks me off how many vets recommend these low protein diet’s filled with crap! Good luck! :-)

  3. Jane says:

    To Holly and whoever else may have any answer,
    I am having the same issue and am also TOTALLY disgusted with the choices I am being given. Why on earth would I feed my cat the best foods for her whole life and then when she is older and having a health crisis, put her on something loaded with bi-products and grains. My vet also needs to reconsider what she is advising me.

    Was wondering is you found any other options???
    My cat has been on Wellness her entire life after a short stint with Iams, which left her throwing up all over the place. Ever since I gave her good food, she has been fine. Now, after two UTI, her left kidney is needing support. I just cannot put her on food that contains PORK Bi-Products! since when do cats kill pigs and eat pig meat! wow!
    If you or anyone has any information, Simone and I would be extremely greatful!
    Love and Light!
    Jane

    • Jenny says:

      Jane,

      There is a vet in California that has a great website – http://www.catinfo.org – you can send her questions about your cat and she will offer insight, but in exchange, she asks that you make a donation to her local pet shelter in any amount you can afford.

      You might go that route.
      Jenny

  4. Sara says:

    I have been going through mutliple high quality (no by-products) cat foods trying to find options low in phosphorus and proteins. Prescription foods are not good for multiple reasons, and they are all marketing. Also, watch out for fish- it can contain heavy metals and be rough on your cats system especially if they have a history urinary tract problems.
    After much research and talks with my vet I have found these foods to be palatable for a picky cat and very healthy. My 15 year old cat has been doing wonderfully on these foods, he is very active and at a good consistent weight.

    Wysong Geriatrix dry food- I add a bit of warm water and he gobbles it up
    Natures balance, reduced calorie and limited ingredient foods are great options. My cat loves the green pea and venison.
    Spots Stew cans, very low in protein with great ingredients
    Innova’s reduce calorie food wet and dry
    Wellness is fabulous, they have a new canned formula out Cat Cuts that I am looking into. I cannot give my cat their dry food however because the protein content is very high. I am still awaiting confirmed phosphorus levels on all their foods.

    I think the post about fancy feast is misleading, and as Holly said contradicting. Also for everyone’s general info, premium brands use ingredients like cranberries as mentioned as tonics- in low amounts similar to our multivitamins containing a few herbs. This does not complicate the recipe or make it superfluous. I have asked pet food makers about this. In fact the ingredients and nutritional values of premium foods are more consistent than those containing by-products which are random left overs thrown in. Limited ingredient foods are also only made by the premium brands and can be a good option for cats with a sensitive stomach. Contact the companies making a food you feel will work for your cat and they will send you all the nutritional information to help you decide whats best. They all have been very helpful in finding out what is best for my cat and it helps them make better products.

  5. Priscilla Anderson says:

    Yes, Dr. Lisa Pierson’s site, catinfo.org is really great. I have a diabetic and through what I learned on her site, Hannah Glory is down to 0.5 units of Lantus Insulin with BG’s from 80 to 150, got rid of all dry food escept for EVO once in a while. Now I have one just beginning crf, slightly elevated BUN and CR. Phosphorous and Calcium are still normal but need to find some good canned food he will eat that is low phos and salt. It is the getting him to eat that is the challange, I have bought all kinds of special foods and he may eat it one day and then never again.I will not go the perscription food route, it is all junk, still cannot figure out why Vets do not know that……….any specific canned foods to try would be greatly appreciated. it gets complicated, I have 17 cats and try to keep all doing very well. The chubby ones lost weight when I stopped the dry food down all the time.
    , and my little “bladder boy” has had no more crystals…………

    • Janet Vandenabeele says:

      Have you tried bonito flakes sprinkled on the food? I don’t know if it’s safe for the various conditions (it’s Japanese shaved dried fish) you have to deal with, but you only need the slightest amount to “stink up” the food and make it appealing.

      I feed my brood as little fish as possible, as poisoned oceans have been implicated in a rise in hyperthyroidism in human cultures that eat a lot of fish, and I have now lost two cats to hyperthyroidism. But I had one who also had IBD, and couldn’t eat commercial food, and would turn her pretty nose up at my chicken + supplement concoctions unless I sprinkled just a tiny bit of bonito in with the food.

      I would buy it through Eden Foods, as they keep a close eye on sources to make sure it’s not radiation contaminated after the tsunami last year. They go above what’s required upon entry to the US. It’s where I buy my human Japanese food products through, too.

    • Jenny says:

      Hi Priscilla,

      I am not sure of specific foods, but perhaps this link will help: http://www.littlebigcat.com/health/kidney-disease-in-older-cats/

      also, if you want to try a bunch of food i would go with Luke’s – all the info you need is in the description of this video – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFJ9XGIkulg, but I have included here too.

      Luke’s All Natural Pet Food
      http://www.lukesallnatural.com/
      10534 Wiles Road
      Coral Springs, FL 33076
      954-752-1123

      call them and tell them you want a custom wet food sampler for kidneys and also ask them about raw food.

      hope that helps.
      let me know how it goes.
      jenny

    • dawn says:

      How wonderful to see your cats’ health improved on canned. I don’t have any suggestions for canned food choices, but you may want to ask on the feline diabetes message board. With all the canned food feeders on there, someone probably has a good recommendation.

      Will he eat the regular canned food you feed your cats? At the vet clinic I worked at we told people with dogs and cats with CRF was to get them eating something then worry about switching them. If he will eat the regular food, try gradually adding in any of the other brands you decide on. Good luck with him!

  6. Tricia says:

    If you need a prescription diet, Rayne is a very good food but very expensive. If they don’t have a diet that fits your needs you can get a custom RX diet. I’m not sure where you live, but maybe one of their nutritionist are near you. (My fussy eater tried the kangaroo and loved it.)
    http://www.raynenutrition.com/(S(mqbv3cfeiguv0a45j4gyet2b))/default.aspx

    I have a very fussy eater that was impossible to get to eat any wet food. He refuses to eat anything in a can, but he ate up raw food right away. I feed him Feline’s Pride and I crumble some Whole Life chicken treats on top to get him to eat the whole thing.

  7. Monesha says:

    Thank you very much for this info. My 13-year-old cat has been drinking a lot of water lately and I can’t afford to take her to the vet. Want to change her diet to protect her from kidney disease. Will try the non-prescrip ones you recommend. M.

  8. Priscilla Anderson says:

    Thanks everyone so much for all the suggestions, I will keep you posted……I know that the most important thing is that he eats, even if not the perfect food. Well i have the diabetes adventure with one kitty which has been very successful, so now it is crf adventure, maybe I will be a Vet soon……..Blessings, everyone……Priscilla

  9. Geo says:

    I am astounded by the crappy foods vet recommend as prescription diets! Would they recommend a vat of rubber boot, cardboard and corn as long as vitamins and a blend of nutrients were added to make it “whole and complete?” It’s just ridiculous! I am also frustrated by cat food manufacturers giving incomplete and misleading information on the contents of their foods, “as fed” is different than “per serving,” for example. And what could be more revolting than rendered animals as “meat-by-products!” I do my own calculations based on recommended formulas from trustworthy vets and they differ from other info I am given from manufacturers and pet food websites. I wish I was up to cooking meat for my cats and adding just the right blend of vitamins that they need…sadly, I am not and so I do my best with hours of self-education on the best prepared foods to feed them. I feel just okay about what I give them…never really sure about it, but doing the best I can. One key thing I’ve learned is regarding carbohydrate content: it is incredibly high in most prepared foods. Check it out and be warned! High carbs are terrible for your cat’s health. Even many ‘premium’ foods are full of them.

  10. Priscilla Anderson says:

    I know what you mean, Geo, I have learned so much since I have a diabetic cat .Have read some books that scared me to death about pet food. Wish I could cook for all of them too but I also work full time and there are 17 of them, yes that is alot but they are well taken care of…Just got a notice today about a pet food recall from Petfood.com.there was a whole list…ironically, all petfood recalls have been the “GOOD” brands.never Fancy Feast, 9-lives or Friskies. interesting isn’t it ?? Initially I did not realize that this was a “Ragdoll” site, hope “mutts” are okay………Have rescued them all……….Blessings everyone, Priscilla

  11. Catwoman says:

    We have fed our cats holistic, natural, meat-based food for years and thought we were doing the right thing. We were wrong. Cats need raw meat to survive. Feeding them cooked food was killing them. We occasionally gave them raw meat as a treat, but not all the time. My 4-year-old cat was just diagnosed with kidney failure, a UTI, fluid in her lungs, an enlarged heart, and hypertension. There was nothing the vet could do and sent her home to die. We had nothing to lose, so we started her on a raw diet and a ton of supplements, including enzymes. In just three days she has shown remarkable improvement. I am currently looking for raw recipes for cats like her. If anyone has any knowledge they could share, I would really appreciate it.

    • Tony says:

      My 8 year old tabby was just diagnosed with CRF. The vet gave me a bill of $300 to run tests, even though he said that he can’t do much. I have been scouring the internet for things to do to help my cat. Can you please tell me exactly, in detail, what you are doing as part of the raw diet plan? Which supplements? Which enzymes? And, where are you buying all of these things from? Thanks, signed “Desperate and Hopeful”

      • Catwoman says:

        Tony,
        I hear ya. I spent $900 at the local vet. My kitty is now seeing a holistic vet. She said the K/D is a starvation diet, which I already figured after looking at the ingredients. She put her on raw rabbit and said NO chicken or lamb. I am switching her slowly by mixing her Fancy Feast and raw rabbit and every day giving her more rabbit and less commercial food. This list is long but she also takes rehmannia 1/2 tsp. twice a day, a good probiotic 1/2 teaspoon twice a day, enzymes twice a day, Standard Process brand Kidney Support, Standard Process Immune Support, and Standard Process Whole Body Support. I also give her trace minerals and inject subcu fluids. She is also on a heart medication and high blood pressure medicine. I know it’s a long list but it may increase longevity and she acts better overall. I buy most of the ingredients on the Internet. Standard Process is a good brand the vet said. I know her life will be shortened considerably but it would have been over a month ago if I had done nothing. She doesn’t seem to be suffering and actually plays again. I apologize for veering off the Ragdoll conversation but I think every kitty is important. Let me know if you have any questions.

  12. Gina says:

    My 13 yr old cat was diagnosed with kidney disease last fall, while I was home taking care of my dad who had been on dialysis for 4 years. So, I’m very familiar with kidney disease and diet restrictions, etc. When Buzz was diagnosed she thought he was stage 2, possibly stage 3, and I was pretty upset. She put him on the Hills K/D diet and at one month his BUN was back in the normal range, and his Creatinin reading was down as well. Which really surprised her. 2 months later his BUN was still in the normal range and his Creatinin was also in the normal range although on the high side. Today he continues to do fine on this product. So while corn, wheat, etc. are in this product it obviously makes a difference. So don’t hesitate to start you cat on this product while searching for other options. By the way I took my cat in thinking that he might be diabetic as he had gotten obsessive about drinking water. So if your cat is exhibiting this trait taking him/her in for a checkup!

    • Jenny says:

      Hi Gina – thanks for the feedback – appreciate it!

    • Gracie's Mom says:

      Four years ago my 16-year old Maine Coon mix got bone cancer of the pelvis. His lab reports showed he had the kidney and liver function of a two year-old cat. His diet was Eagle Pack senior kibble, which contained a lot of corn. His coat was gorgeous and his eyes shone. Aside from the cancer which killed him, he was incredibly healthy.

      My deaf white cat didn’t do so well on the Eagle Pack. He has triaditis and throws up as easy as breathing (and about as often). He did much better on Taste of the Wild grain-free dry, so I switched them all over to that. My girl, Gracie, would only eat kibble and refused to eat wet food. Everyone did OK for several years.

      Then deaf cat started throwing up a lot again. He didn’t throw up wet food, so I switched him to a canned diet. The others by that time decided they also liked wet more than dry, so everybody went to wet food, specifically Eagle Pack, EVO, and Trader Joe’s canned foods.

      A few months ago, my 18-year old cat, Gracie, started peeing around the house. Then she started throwing up a lot and generally feeling poorly. She just got diagnosed with stage 3, possibly stage 4 kidney disease. She’s lost probably 90% of her kidney function. I read the ingredient labels of the kidney diets and despaired. What total junk! But Gracie LOVES them.

      She’s eating again and feeling better. No more throwing up. She likes the Purina N/F canned, but her favorites are the Hi-Tor NEO canned, and the Royal Canin Renal kibble. She’s playful and fiesty again, full of Tortitude.

      My deaf cat (he’s 11) is eating these foods now, plus the Royal Canin Indoor Senior kibble. He has largely stopped throwing up.While he wouldn’t touch ToTW kibble anymore, he actually prefers the Royal Canin kibbles over canned food much of the time. My 12-year old Tonkinese is enjoying this diet, as well. I’m glad because it’s hard to sequester different foods for different cats when you live in a very small house. I also got them a water fountain and they are all drinking more water.

      I guess what I’m trying to say is, in THEORY the high-protein grain-free diet is best for cats. But cat’s can’t read. If your cat is sick, don’t be a theoretical purist. Experiment and see what works.

  13. Priscillalea says:

    My kitty Isaiah-Ezekiel was dx. with crf in Aug of 2011. I began Giving him Azodyl about 3 months ago and his values are back near normal. I am a dialysis nurse by profession so have a little experience also. I tried putting him on all those “kidney” foods and he stopped eating anything, so I give him pretty much what he likes and he is doing quite well. I called Fancy Feast and they sent me a wonderful huge list of every single wet food they make with all the info you could probably ask for and so I try to choose the lowest in phos and sodium. His Phos levels remain normal as is everthing else except BUN and CR are elevated but improved by the Azodyl. Took dry food away from all of my cats except for about 10 pieces on top of their wet meal. No more bladder problems or blockages and my diabetic is near normal BGs and is on 1/2 unit of Lantus AM and Pm. Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

  14. Priscilla Anderson says:

    Well i have no idea since I rescued him off the street, my Vet estimates at least 16…you see, I did not know what Floppy Cats were when i got on this site so I have snuck my 17 “mutts” on here but have learned alot and have enjoyed reading about you all. So my kitties are all just street kitties. But are loved, safe and sound. I have even domesticated 3 total ferals and how rewarding that is. Blessings, Priscilla

  15. Priscilla Anderson says:

    Thx Jenny.Blessings, Priscilla

  16. Priscilla Anderson says:

    I did find a tiny kitten 3 years ago with what I thought were Siamese markings, however over the first few months he became this unbelievably gorgeous very dark chocolate with even darker points. I think he might be part Tokinese, not sure…..His name is Ariel Judah, and he does think he is the lion of judah. But he is stunning and a very sexy dude, he does not know that the “junk in the trunk is gone…..Smile………I have 17 so you see, there are alot of miracles…….Priscilla

  17. Monica says:

    Mocha was diagnosed with kidney disease, I visited many vets and all of them gave Mocha a different veterinary renal prescription – low protein diet. She became anemic, incontinent, developed a heart murmur, lost weight and her renal values were getting worst every month. I found a holistic vet who kindly suggested to manage Mocha’s disease with a better quality food and encouraged me to try Nature’s Variety raw food. I finally switched Mocha’s diet and in only 3 weeks I saw a huge difference in Mocha’s energy levels. Her appetite improved and her urinary issues disappeared. Now Mocha is again a happy healthy cat. She is not longer anemic, her heart murmur is gone and her renal values are back to normal.

    • Jenny says:

      HOLY SMOKES! That is so great to hear – congrats to you for not stopping until you found an answer and congrats to Mocha’s success! I love it – thanks for sharing!

    • Lisa says:

      Thank you, I read up about Nature’s Variety raw food a few months ago as Spice hasn’t liked any of the commercial KD food and I have been cooking her chicken, turkey etc. and Purchased some vitamins from the vet’s. She’s been doing good, put some weight on and her coat looks better, but still quite a bit of pee. So Next time at the pet store I’ll be getting her some.

    • Kim says:

      Wow Monica, that’s great! I’m a believe of raw or partially cooked food! I had a homemade diet created from Dr. Lisa Pierson http://www.catinfo.org she’s great if you ever have questions about diets for renal disease. Just curious, what were her levels, BUN, Creatinine and hold old was Mocha when the vet diagnosed her? I’m really beginning to question how routinely vets prescribe these kidney diets with slightly elevated levels! I’ve heard nothing but bad things about limiting protein which these dies do. I’m learning that Phosphorus is more important but it’s still a controversial subject.

    • Kim says:

      Hi Monica,

      How’s Mocha? Valentine seems to be doing great on the raw medallions. :-)

      Happy holidays coming up!!!

      Blessings…

      Kim

    • kim says:

      Hi Monica,

      I hope you and Mocha are doing well! I emailed you last month but didn’t hear back. Was curious to hear how Mocha is doing. I’ve had Valentine on the Natures Variety raw medallions for about 3 or 4 months, she seems to be doing great! Her coat is amazing, soft and shinny and she’s full of energy! It’s time for me to get her blood work done, I’m nervous but optimistic. I noticed in an old email of yours that you’re alternating between the Chicken, Beef and Venison. Did the holistic vet you went to recommend rotating the three? I’ve just been doing chicken, maybe I should be rotating as well. Valentine would love the variety for sure. I would love to hear how Mocha is doing, I hope well!!!

      Warm regards,

      Kim

      • Monica says:

        Hi Kim,

        I am SO happy to know Valentine is doing great. Somehow I did not get your last two messages and I was getting worried about your kitty. My Mocha is doing really good, and her veterinarian said she does not need a blood work anytime soon because her numbers had been stable and in the right range for almost a year :):). The holistic vet didn’t suggest the rotation but I have been alternating between beef chicken and venison because I don’t want her to get tired of eating the same type of medallions every day — I will be totally lost if she stops eating this food — But she has her favorite already, she loves beef and she gets that most of the time. I am thrilled to hear a right nutrition is helping Valentine as well, and I am pretty sure you will see good numbers in her blood work.

        Happy holidays to both of you,

        Mocha and happy mummy!

  18. Monica says:

    Hi Lisa, Mocha is eating Nature’s Variety Raw Instinct. I alternate her diet between Beef & Chicken & Venison, which are the ones with the lowest amount of phosphorus. I hope Spice will like their taste!

  19. Monica says:

    Hi Kim, I am a huge fan of Dr Pierson :) Mocha’s creatinine and BUN at the time of he diagnostic were slightly elevated, Crea 2.7 mg/dL and BUN 44 mg/dL. The 3 renal diets Mocha tried (Hills, Purina, Royal Canine) did not work for her. I just hope Mocha’s story could help other kitties out there that only need to be pointed out in the right direction

    • Kim says:

      Hi Monica, I love that you’re a fan of Dr. Pierson! I would be lost without her! Sorry to ask so many questions but was Mocha diagnosed during a routine check or was she having signs of a problem? This is what mean about the vets…they automatically recommend these protein starved diets (for carnivors) at levels that are still (from what I understand) somewhat questionable about the stage of CRD making a possibly very early stage of CRD even worse! My kitty is about 14, her creatinine have slowly been creeping up for two years and the past year went from 1.8 to 2.6 (so I’m getting nervous) but her BUN is only 32 and her Urine Specific Gravity is 1.030 – 1.033 which isn’t “that” bad I don’t think for 14 yrs. old. She has a ton of energy, climbs trees runs around the house NO physical signs of any problems and they want to put her on Hills or Royal Canin kidney diets because her creatinine is 2.6. I refuse to do it and they say, well, we would hate for you to regret it later. So for the past couple weeks I’ve been researching and researching on the internet (to the point of too much info) then I joined this site to hear others stories. I hope that something we’re talking about can help someone else! Looking forward to your response.

    • Kim says:

      Oh and THANK YOU for sharing Mocha’s story! I do believe her story will help point people in the right direction before automatically considering these renal diets!

  20. Monica says:

    Hi Kim, Mochs was diagnosed during a routine check up. She did not have any symptoms other than drinking water quite often. I’ve got the same speech from many veterinarians, they advise me against raw food. Well, Mocha’s creatinine went up to 3.3 while she was on renal diets, and it was hard to see her pverall health deteriorate. I can not thank enough the hollistic veterinary that suggested a switch to raw food. Mocha is also getting Omega-3 which is an antioxidant that helps to reduce the inflammation resulting from kindney disease.

    • Kim says:

      Hi Monica, thanks for the additional info! I give my kitty Omega-3 as well. Which brand do you use? I’m always researching for the best products and since you’ve got such a great success story I will look into your brand. I use a brand from costco I think I trust it but I’d be quite receptive to a holistic brand. You mentioned her levels went back down to normal, what are her creatinine and BUN now that she’s on this diet? I think I might incorporate some of Nature’s Variety raw food into my kitties diet. Mocha’s story is the closet to mine I’ve heard, thank you for sharing AND for anyone who is reading this PLEASE seriously consider what you’ve read in this post and don’t jump into a kidney prescription diet without exploring other options (especially with early stages disease), it could mean the world of difference for the health and quality of life for your beloved furry friend!

    • Kim says:

      Hi Monica and anyone else reading this, I just looked on Dr. Lisa Pierson’s Nutritional Composition chart http://catinfo.org/docs/Food%20Chart%20Public%209-22-12.pdf (very informative) and Nature’s Variety raw food, chicken, beef and lamb (not the duck) have excellent numbers! One of the lower brands in Phosphorus (VERY important) and coincidentally lower in Protein (almost as low as Hill’s kidney diet) but your feeding a much higher quality meat source than the by-product CRAP that is in Hill’s plus it’s raw so from what I’ve read is MUCH more nutritious. I was shocked to see that Rad-cat (what I used to feed) was SO high in Phosphorus! Thumbs up on Nature’s Variety (Chicken & Beef)!

  21. Monica says:

    Hi Kim, I’m giving Mocha Omega 3 from Nordic Naturals, it’s a really good brand. They have omega 3 for humans and for pets, so you need to purchase the one for small animals. Mocha’s Creatinine is now 2.0 for a normal range 0.6-2.4, and her BUN is 36 from a normal range 14-36. Also phosphorus, calcium and Sodium went back to normal as well, all of them were elevated while Mocha was in the renal diet. In Mocha’s case her renal values improved after 1 month of starting her in raw diet. Nature’s Variety raw food is pasteurized, this process eliminates microbes while maintaining the nutritional benefits , which is important for immunocompromised & sick kitties.

    • Kim says:

      Hi Monica, thanks! WOW, those are good numbers! I pray I can get my kitty’s creatinine back to 2.0 from 2.6! Mocha’s story is inspirational I’m so excited right now and I feel more confident than ever that I’m making the right choice to stay clear of prescription diets! Where do you get Nature’s Variety at the pet store or online? How old is Mocha?

  22. Monica says:

    Hey Kim, I have the chart and has been my bible! You can try venison, it’s even lower in phosphorus than lamb.

  23. Monica says:

    Hi Kim, Mocha is 10 years old, a beautiful seal point ragdoll. I purchase mocha’s food at the pet store, it is frozen raw food so not all the pet stores will sell it. You can go to the Nature’s Variety web site to find which stores carry the frozen food in your area. Wishing you and your kitty the best, she is lucky to have you as a mumy!!

    • Kim says:

      Hi Monica, thank you! Wishing you and Mocha the very best as well! I’ll follow up in a couple months with recent lab results. :-)

    • Kim says:

      Hi Monica, i just bought bag of Nature’s Variety, it has a bunch of tiny little round patties in it. The patties are all frosted over big time, is that normal when you buy your bags or did I get a freezer burn bag?

  24. Carol says:

    Just FYI. We have used a holistic veterinarian for my cat. She told me that chicken and lamb are “hot” foods and took my cat off of them immediately. She said turkey was fine, but really recommended raw rabbit.

    • Kim says:

      Hi Carol, do you know what they meant by “hot”? was your kitty having renal issues? I can use turkey or chicken with my homemade diet, both are lower in phosphorus. I’ll look into that, thanks for your input!

      • Carol says:

        I didn’t ask any specifics but the vet said those were hot foods. She practices traditional Chinese medicine. My cat had renal disease and I saw quite a difference following the vet’s recommendations. She lived longer and was more active than she had been. The vet said she didn’t act like a sick cat. Had we caught it sooner the end results may have been different. Her only symptom was drinking more water and the vet we had been seeing didn’t pick up on it.

  25. Monica says:

    Hi Carol, Cats often develop food allergies to any food ingredient they have been repeatedly exposed to. Chicken, rice, lamb, corn are few allergens that can contribute to inflammatory processes. It makes sense to feed cats new ingredients that are not usually found in pet food as rabbit and venison. Just in the context of kidney disease, you need to keep an eye on the food phosphorus content, and rabbit meat has a high level of it.

    • Carol says:

      I agree. We were told not to give her much, but just keep her eating. She was very finicky and the vet didn’t want her to stop eating altogether. I had a list of hot, neutral, and cold foods used in traditional Chinese medicine. We did see a difference in her behavior after switching her. We have always fed holistic dry food but she still developed kidney disease. I’ve learned a lot from this experience and now feed the other cats differently.

  26. Monica says:

    Hi Kim,
    I am looking at the bag on my freezer, I purchase medallions and they are as you said, all frosted over, I guess it’s okay :)

    • Kim says:

      Hi Monica,

      Thanks, good to know my bags not freezer burned. :-) This bag says “mediallions”. It’s grain free, Instinct raw. Is that the same bag as yours? Do you get the organic? My store didn’t have that option but can order it and venison as well. Interesting that this brand is formulated for cats or dogs vs. formulated individually.

  27. Monica says:

    Hu Kim,
    Yes, it is the same! I tried the organic chicken, and Venison, so far Mocha’s favorite is beef, so I’m feeding her lots of beef medallions these days :)

    • Kim says:

      Hi Monica, well Valentine loves Nature’s Variety! I mush some in with the food I make and she’s much more receptive to eating my food. I’m nervous about the little bones in the food so I try to pick most of them out. Are you at all concerned about the bones?

      • Monica says:

        yayyyyy I am glad to hear Valentine likes the food! I never tried to pick out the bones, I do not think they do any harm at all and Mocha does not seem to notice them.

        • Kim says:

          There’s some interesting ingredients which makes sense as to how they keep the protein & phosphorus so low yet with a QUALITY meat source. Rad-Cat is more than DOUBLE the protein & Phosphorus which is what I was feeding when her levels were so high. :-( I immediately switched back to her home cooked meal and all her levels came back down well within range except the 2.6 creatinine, most important! So although this won’t be her primary food (yet) everything is pointing to it being a great food to add into her home cooked meal and from what I can see should reduce the % of protein in her already low phosphorus diet which would be perfect! I Pray this does the trick! I’m looking forward to our next blood work-up. I’ll keep you posted! :-) Thanks again!

          • Monica says:

            I really hope this food works for Valentine <3 Please keep me updated !

          • Kim says:

            Hi Monica,

            I hope you and Mocha are doing well! I’m following up to see how Mocha is doing on the Nature’s Variety Instinct Raw Medallions? I’ve mainly been staying with our home cooked diet and throwing in medallions as a treat however Valentine’s not into my home cooked food much these days so it’s getting challenging to get her to eat it and she lost a pound also her USG went to 1.014 which concerns me. Creatinine went down to 2.4, Bun still good at 32 and all other levels are right in line. So since she loves Medallions I’m thinking about switching her over to those full time I’d like her to gain that pound back. Wanted to check and see if it was still working well for Mocha?

            Thank you! :-)
            Kim

          • Monica says:

            Hi Kim,

            Mocha is doing pretty good, she has her renal values re-checked in April And almost everything looks similar as her last check up. Three good changes, her cholesterol and Creatinina decreased
            And she gained one pound more. Overall she gained 2 pounds since I switched her to Nature’s Variety, and she is a tiny cat, so two pounds is a lot! I am a huge fan of medallions and if Valentine likes them
            you should definetely try. I’m still giving Mocha Omega-3, and recently I started supplementing her food with Vitamin B and probiotics. I hope this helps Valentine!!!!

    • Kim says:

      Sounds like Mocha is doing great, 2 lbs is a lot which is why I’m uncomfortable that Valentine lost a pound. She’s acting fine,appetite is great she just doesn’t like my cooking :-( she is drinking more water but I’m not sure if that’s due to the weather getting hotter in CA. Ok so you feed the organic brand right? Do you know what Mocha’s urine specific gravity is? Have a great weekend and thanks for being so responsive it’s great to have a support system and share positive results!

      • Monica says:

        Kim,

        Mochas’s specific gravity is 1.018. I giving her only beef medallions, she got bored with the chicken & venison taste. If you weight Valentine regularly it would be easier for you to see if this particular food works. With Mocha I saw positives changes in 3 weeks, so I guess you will have a good idea soon if this food works for Valentine, or if you need to try something else. I really hope Valentine apetite improves <3 please keep me updated!

  28. Helen Jennings says:

    I have a 16 year old Spotted Shorthair with renal failure.can you clarify the DRY FOOD issue. She is now on Royal Canin Dry Food as she hated the Eucanubra(?) I have just started giving her Royal Canin Wet Food too as she was losing weight and food was just going through her. I was prescribed an additive called CREON from the Vet but the cat refused to eat any food with it on top. She is also on IPAKITINE to lower her CREATININE and half a BLOOD PRESSURE TAB each day. It seems to be keeping her reasonably stable but I want to find a selection of WET RENAL FOODS to keep her happy as the supermarket ones are clearly not doingher any good. She already lloks better after just 2 days on the Royal Canin. Also is it Ok to give her cooked chicken which she loves. Thanks.

    • Jenny says:

      Dry food is bad for cat’s kidneys because kidneys need water to process the food and since the kidneys are shriveling up (that’s what’s happening in renal failure), it’s like sucking them dry. Wet food doesn’t require the kidneys to work as hard. You can read more about dry food and cats on http://www.catinfo.org

      I hope the other folks on this thread can help you with the other stuff – I am not as hip on it as I used to be.

    • Kim says:

      Hi Helen,

      As Jenny mentioned http://www.catinfo.com is amazing for information and you can set up a phone consultation with Dr. Lisa Pierson if you need additional info which I’ve done on three or four occasions. I had Dr. Pierson put together a homemade diet that I cook for my kitty. Dry food is terrible on any day at any age in excellent health so it boggles my mind that these prescription diets prescribe it. :-( Also on Dr. Pierson’s website is a total nutrition breakdown that show protein and phosphorus in every cat food you can imagine including prescription. Curious, what are your cat’s levels? Creatinine, Bun and Phosphorus? IMHO it’s good that you’re giving some cooked chicken because some of the prescription diets limit the protein too much from what I understand in order to get the Phosphorus down which is the most important! Dark meat, chicken thigh and turnkey leg I think is lower in Phosphors.

  29. Priscillalea says:

    Hi everyone, I may have already posted this on here, not sure. Anyway my kitty has been diagnosed with crf over a year ago, my Vet told me about Azodyl, a new thing for crf. Everytime we go in for labs they get better and better. It is wonderful stuff. It must arrive cold and stay cold at all times, I get it from Entirely pets with vaccine shipping and it is still cheaper than the Vet, even with that. It comes in a smaller pill which is as potent but easier to give. It must be given whole and not sprinkled on food. I am so impressed with this and grateful for the progress I see in my Isaiah-Ezekiel. And i add an “amen” about no dry food. I also have a diabetic and she is doing great on only wet food. We have “junk food Sunday” and then they get a few kibbles for a treat. I have 18 cats and they all eat only wet food. My little boy who had a blocked bladder 3xs has not had it since I removed dry food. I could go on and on but will give you all a break…But i must rave about the Azodyl..

  30. Priscillalea says:

    OOPS, just went back and read, I guess i did talk about Azodyl before, sorry for the repitition.

    • Kim says:

      Hi Priscillalea, always good to hear positive news even if it you did talk about it before and especially to hear your kitty is still doing good on Azodyl is excellent! No side affects?

  31. Evans says:

    Buy a meat grinder and make your own raw food for your pets. I recently got a bengal kitten and her breeder made me a convert. I now have my ragdoll on it too. Much cheaper than commercial and you know exactly what your pet is eating.

    http://www.mystre.com/making_raw.html

    • Rebecca says:

      okay a couple of things when feeding raw. You must be able pull the food after a 30 minutes (I believe that is what is recommended), sooner if you are in a warm climate. Ground raw deteriorates fasting then prey model food. I fed raw, my raggies loved it, I hated the mess. I didn’t have a place to contain them (they love to drag the parts around and if ground put on floor to eat, which means washing floors daily. Then when I had kittens the twice a day feeding didn’t seem enoughfor them and of course I work outside the home. Morning feeds couldn’t be left and I had some nibblers.
      If my Flame Point is diagnosed with food allergies, I will go back to feeding raw. I will just have to figure out how to contain 6 cats to one room for slightly easier clean up. I do say, my raggies were at their healthiest and litter box issues where much less smelly.
      For me the change back to kibble was for keeping the younger raggies from starving and the constant have to clean up after, I think the final straw was finding a chicken piece in my bed.

      • Evans says:

        Rebecca, I grind my meat up bones and all. I make big batches and freeze it in containers. The cats gobble it up. Plus if they don’t eat it all in one sitting, it stays in the bowl, no parts to drag around. Cats have a short digestive tract and can handle a lot more bacteria than we can. Hope that helps :)

    • Kim says:

      Hi Evans,

      Good for you! Raw or parboiled is the best! If you par-boil it you should be able to leave it out for more than 30 minutes and any potential bacteria left after washing is killed but I’m sure your breeder knows what she/he is talking about. It’s unlikely your kitty will leave anything there, or drag it across the room as mentioned in the other post. With six cats they may have been dragging across the room to get it away from the others and keep it for themselves. :-) As your kitten gets older the recipe may need to change. You do add supplements right? They have to get enough taurine and a few other supplements. I’m sure you’ve heard of http://www.catinfo.org Dr. Pierson is great if you ever need advice on keeping the diet current with their age, needs, etc. Best regards!

      • Evans says:

        Kim, yes I use kitty bloom. Also cats have very short digestive tracts. They can handle all source of bacteria that we can’t like salmonella. If you think about a cat in the wild lots of times they kill their prey drag it off, eat some of it, leave it, come back and eat more and they did not get sick. I use chicken leg quarters, hearts and livers, a little pumpkin and kitty bloom. I use parboiled chicken for treats :)

        • Evans says:

          Anyone interested in the raw food diet for the cats, feel free to contact Mark Pennington at Mystre Bengals. He is the one who put out the raw food diet guidelines on his website from the link I posted earlier. He loves to talk with people about their ideas on proper diet for cats. He is in extreme lover cat and truly concerned about the health of every cat.

  32. Meowda says:

    I am looking for a good quality food for my domestic long hair cat who have found out only has one kidney. At our annual visit this year I asked for the senior exam and I am waiting for the blood results this week.

    The X-ray was horrifying the vet said she couldn’t even see her second kidney. She is my feral rescue that joined our family 7 years ago, her mother had a litter of 3 kittens and our girl was the smallest of the litter. I want to do everything I can to support the one kidney she has – thoughts on food? Maybe the Omega3s too?

    • Kim says:

      Hi Meowda, is her other kidney still in good health? Low phosphorus is key to preserving kidneys so you definitely want a WET food diet for sure and Wellness Turkey (no grain) is one of the better commercial foods but there is also Instinct Raw Medallions that is the lowest in phosphorus and protein but still providing a well balanced meal with enough protein. I personally would stay away from the kidney diet’s like Royal Canine,Hill’s etc., they are too low in protein and made up of byproducts they can starve the body of protein and you don’t want her to body to start eating her muscle. Here’s a chart from Dr. Lisa Pierson’s website http://www.catinfo.org where she breaks down just about every commercial brand possible. Protein, Fat, Carbs and Phosphorus. It’s very informative. Also make sure you feed a low carb food. Wellness and Instinct are low carb.
      http://www.catinfo.org/docs/FoodChartPublic9-22-12.pdf

      Keep us posted…

      • Kim says:

        Hi Meowda, I also suggest you add water to each serving of food it’s a great way to add water to their diet which is essential for healthy kidneys for all of us. Which is exactly why dry food is horrible for animals, it depletes their body of water. :-(
        My kitty loves Wellness Turkey so much that I serve it to her soupy and she eats every bite. I get an extra two table spoons of water in her at every serving. I also feed the Instinct Raw Medallions because it’s lower in Phosphorus than Wellness and I add two table spoons with every medallion. Lots of water :-)

  33. monica says:

    Hi Kim,

    How is Valentine doing with her new diet ? I hope she is putting on some weight! My Mocha will have her values rechecked in 2 weeks so I will tell you about her progress.

    Regards,

    Monica

    • Kim says:

      Hi Moncia,

      Thanks for asking!!! Valentine is doing well! She put her weight back on but she got tired of the medallions, maybe I should try a different flavor. Which were the other flavors that were low in Phosphorus? Looking forward to hearing Mocha’s results!!! Thank you again for touching base with me!

      Kim

    • Kim says:

      Hi Monica,

      I hope you and Mocha are doing well! How did her ab results turn out last month?

      Kim

  34. Monica says:

    Hi Kim,

    Thank you for asking about Mocha, you are so sweet! She is doing great, her renal values are stable, the numbers were almost the same as the last check up. No improvement this time but I am happy her renal values are steady. Her next checkup would be in September, our verterinarian wanted to wait until December but I prefer to follow her every three months now. How is Valentine’s appetite? I hope she is doing great! Thank you again for asking about my spoiled baby!!

    Monica

  35. David says:

    Thanks for all the great posts here, Jenny, on renal food, etc. Our Juliet is a Seal Mitted Ragdoll mutt who is 21 going on 22 and has CKF, a enlarged heart wall, some arthritis in her hips, allergies to almost every food and is IBD. She’s on daily fluids, cerenia injectible, pepsid injectible and oral budesonide to prevent diarrhea. On the positive side, she gets walked on a leash 3 times daily and jumps around like a young cat. She’s truly a medical marvel! Anyway, she’s been on all the RC lamb, duck, rabbit and all the renal foods. She started getting sick on the RC Morsels lately, so we switched her back to A/D. We need to find another food that she can hold down. A raw diet won’t work for her. She needs a canned diet that is low in protein and phosphorous but also one she’ll eat. I’ll try some of the sites you and others here recommended. Thanks! Rags are awesome!

  36. Monica says:

    Hi Kim,

    I hope you are doing great. How is Valentine doing? Mocha is doing good, although she lost 0.2 pounds her and got an urinary infection, her blood work results are better than before :) I’m still alternating between NV beef and venison. Hope your kitty is doing great too!

    Monica

  37. Cordi says:

    Hi – my cat has been diagnosed with kidney disease and bladder stones, i am also told he has high calcium levels.
    My vet said i should put him on Hills KD, (i found that Purina NF has lower phosphorus though than Hills KD) anyway, I started doing research and found a grain-free natural food, its had 10% protein, (71% meat) its phosphorus levels are however stated as approx ‘0.26%. I contacted the food manufacuturer of this natural food and they say this is better than prescrition food as it will help the kidney regenerate so is better in the long run. The reason i am confused is that, im not sure whether to listen to the vet, or just go with the natural food. Plus i wondered – isnt it important to have a certain amount of potassium? What level of protein is recommended? also – does anyone know of low phosphorus diets in the UK? (as some of these foods mentioned here are from the US)
    I would really appreciate some guidance please as I obviously want to be on the right track to help my cat x

    • ilystra says:

      Hi there. For cats with CKD, it is important that their food has low protein and low phosphorus levels. 10% protein is very high and will make the kidney disease spread quicker. KD is the standard food that the vet will prescribe (my cat was on that as well).

      I’ve added a link that will hopefully help you. It even has foods listed in the UK. All the best to you and your kitty.

      http://www.felinecrf.org/which_foods.htm

    • Kim says:

      Hi Cordi,

      I’ve done a lot of research, obsessively…trying to find the best quality food and here is a fantastic brand that I feed in fact someone from this site recommended it and it was the best recommendation! Low in Phosphorus, not quite as low as Hills KD but low enough and MUCH healthier as it’s a better quality meat source. Nature’s Variety RAW medallions, they have an organic chicken and regular chicken. The non-organic Chicken is a tiny bit lower in Phosphorus. I give my kitty 85% of this along with a little Hills KD, (the canned with Chicken) just to lower the Phosphorus a bit more. Beware of feeding 100% Hills KD! It’s too high in carbohydrates and not enough protein/meat source. Cats are carnivores and if their body is starved of protein it will eat into their muscle mass. Not good! Natures Variety I think can be ordered online if not carried in the UK. Here’s a fantastic website where you can get a ton of info on CRF and there’s a chart breaking down all cat food showing phosphorus, carbs, fat, protein, etc: http://www.catinfo.org/docs/FoodChartPublic9-22-12.pdf

      Stay away from any dry cat food!!! It’s the absolute worst thing you can feed an animal! Regarding your question, should you trust your vet…trust the lab work but do your own research on diet!!! Most vets will automatically recommend the crappy manufactured kidney diet’s Hills KD, Royal Canin, NP, etc…

      Nature’s Variety is for dogs and cats and is a fantastic balance, low Phosphorus healthy diet!!! Your kitty will love it. Please keep us posted.

      Warm regards,

      Kim

    • Jo says:

      I would recommend joining the Yahoo Groups mainly WholeCatHealth, FLUTD, and Feline-CRF-Support. They are all very knowledgeable people and perhaps you can take away some great advice so you can start managing your cats’ diseases. Oh, and definitely no dry food, which causes so much disease in cats in the first place.

  38. Cordi says:

    P.S is it OK to feed my cats different foods or should i only stick to 1?

    • ilystra says:

      Stick to 1 brand of food or a blend of 2.

    • Kim says:

      Hi Cordi, I put my wrong email so I’m following up to make sure you received the first post about Nature’s Variety Raw Medallions.
      Also yes you can absolutely blend two brands. I wouldn’t blend too many but as I mentioned I feed the raw medallions with a little bit of KD. My cat likes to have it switched up a bit and with the KD I’m able to add Salmon oil and she eats it up.

      ilystra mentioned Tayna’s website, also an excellent, very informative site on CRF!!!

      • cordi says:

        thank you all for your advice, is 10% protein considered too high for a cat with kidney disease and bladder stones? what should i be looking for?

        many thanks, (i will check out natures variety, not sure i can get my cats onto a raw diet…so looking for cooked at the moment)

        Many thanks,

        • kim says:

          Hi Cordi,

          Who told you 10% protein, this seems incredibly low. If only 10% of the diet is protein, what does the other 90% consist of? Cat’s are carnivores, they are designed to get their protein from animal sources, not plants (grains and vegetables). If their bodies are deprived of Protein their body will eat away at their muscles, eventually getting weak and sick. Vet’s believe that if you limit the protein you will limit the phosphorus and although there is some truth to that, if you buy a food with a “quality” meat source you can find a healthy balance of protein and fat and still low phosphorus. I’ve yet to meet a kitty that did not like Nature’s Variety Raw Medallions. I’ve got all my neighbors no it. lol You will want to transistion slowing over a week or so. Try buying chicken breast or chicken thigh (thigh is lower in Phosphorus) parboil it for a minute or two to kill any potential bacteria and then give your kitty a few pieces. Let us know how that goes over, my guess is your kitty will look at you funny and then gulp it down. :-) Check out the phosphorus chart on on http://www.catinfo.org Have a great day!

    • Jo says:

      I would definitely feed a variety of foods, different brand as well as different proteins, since over time of feeding the same foods, they can become allergic to the protein. Plus if there were a recall to happen, at least you will have other brands of canned food to fall back on.

  39. Dementia Boy says:

    I could talk forever about CRF and renal diets. But I’ll “bookmark” this spot for future/further comments and just address Cordi’s concern now.

    Cordi, grab a can of cat food, any cat food, from your pantry now. Also grab a magnifying glass, if necessary. Look at the numbers (as well as the minimum and maximum notations) where you found the 10% protein. This is the “as fed” analysis. Notice that the moisture is about 78%? To determine what the protein really is, you need to subtract the moisture, which should leave you with about 22% dry matter. I say “should,” because rarely do the dry matter and moisture equal 100%. If they did, you could easily determine the protein/fat/carb/junk content of a food. But they don’t. So the 10% could be 25% or it could be 60%. Dr. Pierson and others have conversion charts and formulae, but these are useful only if you know the dry matter and/or ME content of the food. Dr. Pierson lists many. Some pet food companies list these on their websites. Others will give the percentages to you if you write or call. Still others won’t. =(

    Neither Party Animal nor Wild Calling has responded to my repeated requests for dry matter and ME analyses. Wild Calling has many varieties, all of which have identical “as fed” analyses. Party Animal lists phosphorus, something we’re obviously looking at, as (min)0.20. Of course that’s the minimum!! Cardboard probably has that much phosphorus!!

    From 2003 until 30 days ago, I fed my cats all wet food. Then I began transitioning to mostly raw. I don’t follow the prey model. My cats would starve if I did that. I aim for 30/65/5. My cats eat 60% raw, 10% cooked and 30% canned, all soaked with distilled water. And I think I’ll stay there. For a zillion reasons, I am a firm believer, nay, a religious zealot, when it comes to rotation, feeding my cats a variety of foods within the parameters or constructs listed above.

    And I want to give a big shout-out to both Jenny of Floppycats and Molly of Mythicbells for giving me the inspiration, courage and kick in the butt to finally do what I had been planning to do for years.

  40. Jessie says:

    Hi all –
    I too am a concerned parent of a CKD kitty. My Chasey is only 6 years old and recently diagnosed. As the rest of you have been told – I was told a low phosphorus diet, prescription food, low protein, etc. I’m looking for a diet to feed him as I’m anti prescription food since it’s garbage. I currently put him and his FLUTD brother on Solid Gold Chicken, Turkey, White Fish & Liver canned food. It was the closest I could find as being low phosphorus at a 0.55% dry matter. They’ve both been on it for about a month and as of the last week neither one of them are interested in eating it. I’d like them off it, and have read wonderful things about raw but all the raw diets are much higher in phosphorus. I emailed Natures Variety regarding their Instinct Raw Chicken and they wrote back saying its phosphorus level is 1.94% dry matter analysis! That’s WAY too high to be feeding a CKD cat! I’ve read so many wonderful things about this food with CKD kitties, but I’m curious as to how or why anyone would go this route with the Phos level being that high. All I keep reading from people is that it has low phosphorus, but I’m starting to assume that those people are going by the guaranteed analysis percentages which is totally inaccurate in determining the true values. Does the raw aspect have something to do with the phosphorus level not being “bad” at high levels like that? I was ready to go purchase this stuff today, but after just receiving that email from them, I’m second guessing that decision. Can anyone shed any light on this? I’m torn to what to feed my babies. I really want to go raw, but with a Phos level like that, I just can’t justify it. They were both on canned EVO 95% Chicken and Turkey and the EVO 95% Beef their whole lives and Chasey was diagnosed with CKD being on that food and that’s got way lower Phosphorus than the raw Natures Instinct! I’m going crazy trying to find something good. Any help that could be offered would be insanely appreciated! Hugs to all your fur babies!

  41. Chris says:

    Hi Kim,
    Would love to know how your kitty is doing on the raw diet. Need some help with my kitty.
    Chris

  42. Dementia Boy says:

    CKD/CRF can get complicated. And if something’s complicated, I tend to complicate it even more. =(

    The easiest way you can reduce your cat’s phosphorus intake? Eliminate all fish. Fish is incredibly high in phosphorus. There is no good fish for bladder and kidney problems. (Just look at Dr. Pierson’s site, with cat foods listed in ascending order of phosphorus.)

    If your cat doesn’t yet have kidney problems, but is a fish addict, *please* start weaning him off fish NOW. An emergency is no time to start the weaning process.

    It doesn’t matter whether the fishy food is grocery store or top-of-the-line premium. Fish is phosphorus.

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