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12:44 pm
August 13, 2011


angiedsmith

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Hey guys.  One of my babies has had runny stool for several weeks, so I called my vet.  The asked for a stool sample, and found some sort of parasite that is usually found in outdoor cats.  Anyway, she gave me something for the runs and meds for the parasite – enough for both of my cats.  The medicine is liquid and I can shoot it in their mouths pretty quick – looks chalky and they don't like it, but I can manage that.  The other stuff is the consistency of peanut butter and they HATE it.  I've tried to shoot it in their mouths (comes in a huge looking syringe thing – looks like a caulking gun).  This has ended up all over the place – all over faces and walls.  I feel like I'm killing them.  Yesterday I got some on my fingers and kind of smeared it on their sides so they could maybe lick it off.  It took one of them all day and she is running from me today.  Anybody got any wonderful ideas about this stuff???  Is it called a probiotic??  Something like that…anyway, if there is a better way I would love to know it.

Thanks in advance.  I love this site – everyone asks and gives such interesting info.  It's always helpful.  I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

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August 23, 2011


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Angie, sorry for the delay in responding to this.  I try to keep up with everything, but it's hard!  I assume you are done with the medication by now?  How did it go?  I can always post something like this as a blog post and see if more readers respond, if you'd like.

angiedsmith said:

Hey guys.  One of my babies has had runny stool for several weeks, so I called my vet.  The asked for a stool sample, and found some sort of parasite that is usually found in outdoor cats.  Anyway, she gave me something for the runs and meds for the parasite – enough for both of my cats.  The medicine is liquid and I can shoot it in their mouths pretty quick – looks chalky and they don't like it, but I can manage that.  The other stuff is the consistency of peanut butter and they HATE it.  I've tried to shoot it in their mouths (comes in a huge looking syringe thing – looks like a caulking gun).  This has ended up all over the place – all over faces and walls.  I feel like I'm killing them.  Yesterday I got some on my fingers and kind of smeared it on their sides so they could maybe lick it off.  It took one of them all day and she is running from me today.  Anybody got any wonderful ideas about this stuff???  Is it called a probiotic??  Something like that…anyway, if there is a better way I would love to know it.

Thanks in advance.  I love this site – everyone asks and gives such interesting info.  It's always helpful.  I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

6:45 am
August 25, 2011


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angiedsmith said:

Hey guys.  One of my babies has had runny stool for several weeks, so I called my vet.  The asked for a stool sample, and found some sort of parasite that is usually found in outdoor cats.  Anyway, she gave me something for the runs and meds for the parasite – enough for both of my cats.  The medicine is liquid and I can shoot it in their mouths pretty quick – looks chalky and they don't like it, but I can manage that.  The other stuff is the consistency of peanut butter and they HATE it.  I've tried to shoot it in their mouths (comes in a huge looking syringe thing – looks like a caulking gun).  This has ended up all over the place – all over faces and walls.  I feel like I'm killing them.  Yesterday I got some on my fingers and kind of smeared it on their sides so they could maybe lick it off.  It took one of them all day and she is running from me today.  Anybody got any wonderful ideas about this stuff???  Is it called a probiotic??  Something like that…anyway, if there is a better way I would love to know it.

Thanks in advance.  I love this site – everyone asks and gives such interesting info.  It's always helpful.  I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Hi Angie,

Just wondering what was the name of the two items the vet prescribed?  Did they work?  Did the vet tell you what parasite he found? 

10:58 am
August 27, 2011


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Thanks for your responses guys.  I teach and school just started, so there hasn't been time to check back in here. 

The vet did tell me the name of the parasite, but didn't write it down.  I have no idea what it was.  Just that it was something an outside cat would usually – not an indoor cat.  The first meds the vet gave them:  panacur susp.  and pro pectalin.  The pro pectalin is the probiotic that is difficult to give.  I took another stool sample back last week to recheck and she said there was still bacteria in stool but no parasite.  She gave me metronidazole to give Henley to make sure everything was all clear.  This seems to have helped.  No runny stool going down the side of the liter box lately. 

I would really love to know how the parasite came to be since neither cat goes outside.  I have a screened in porch that they love.  Could that be where it came from?  I just want to prevent this from happening again if possible.  A nurse at the vet told me to  try giving the paste like probiotic with a tongue depressor scraping on the roof of mouth.  Kitty one still got it on her face ( my fault, I guess)  and ran around the house for several minutes like a wild child and then hid behind a door till she got her face clean.  I did better with the next kitty.  She also didn't freak out…and she is the one that usually does.  Strange!  Are these meds typical?  I'm still working on what wet food to give.  Have read about several kinds on here I want to try.  Just don't have a petsmart or anything really close.  Grocery store and Wal Mart are the ones we have in town.  School is calming down some, so should be able to go soon to get a few new ones to try out. 

Angie

11:20 am
September 2, 2011


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I do like the probiotic idea.  I had a lot of success with those for Rags and take them everyday myself.  I used iFlora for Rags and it was just a powder that I sprinkled on his food.  And a small amount with every meal – like 1/2 teaspoon.

I also think that nurses know more than the doctors sometimes – so it's worth a shot, as I don't think it'll hurt anything.  I do not have any suggestions, though.  We could always post your issue as a blog post, if you'd like, and get more reader feedback that way…you can always email me directly if you'd like to do that.

angiedsmith said:

Thanks for your responses guys.  I teach and school just started, so there hasn't been time to check back in here. 

The vet did tell me the name of the parasite, but didn't write it down.  I have no idea what it was.  Just that it was something an outside cat would usually – not an indoor cat.  The first meds the vet gave them:  panacur susp.  and pro pectalin.  The pro pectalin is the probiotic that is difficult to give.  I took another stool sample back last week to recheck and she said there was still bacteria in stool but no parasite.  She gave me metronidazole to give Henley to make sure everything was all clear.  This seems to have helped.  No runny stool going down the side of the liter box lately. 

I would really love to know how the parasite came to be since neither cat goes outside.  I have a screened in porch that they love.  Could that be where it came from?  I just want to prevent this from happening again if possible.  A nurse at the vet told me to  try giving the paste like probiotic with a tongue depressor scraping on the roof of mouth.  Kitty one still got it on her face ( my fault, I guess)  and ran around the house for several minutes like a wild child and then hid behind a door till she got her face clean.  I did better with the next kitty.  She also didn't freak out…and she is the one that usually does.  Strange!  Are these meds typical?  I'm still working on what wet food to give.  Have read about several kinds on here I want to try.  Just don't have a petsmart or anything really close.  Grocery store and Wal Mart are the ones we have in town.  School is calming down some, so should be able to go soon to get a few new ones to try out. 

5:25 am
November 3, 2011


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angiedsmith said:

Thanks for your responses guys.  I teach and school just started, so there hasn't been time to check back in here. 

The vet did tell me the name of the parasite, but didn't write it down.  I have no idea what it was.  Just that it was something an outside cat would usually – not an indoor cat.  The first meds the vet gave them:  panacur susp.  and pro pectalin.  The pro pectalin is the probiotic that is difficult to give.  I took another stool sample back last week to recheck and she said there was still bacteria in stool but no parasite.  She gave me metronidazole to give Henley to make sure everything was all clear.  This seems to have helped.  No runny stool going down the side of the liter box lately. 

I would really love to know how the parasite came to be since neither cat goes outside.  I have a screened in porch that they love.  Could that be where it came from?  I just want to prevent this from happening again if possible.  A nurse at the vet told me to  try giving the paste like probiotic with a tongue depressor scraping on the roof of mouth.  Kitty one still got it on her face ( my fault, I guess)  and ran around the house for several minutes like a wild child and then hid behind a door till she got her face clean.  I did better with the next kitty.  She also didn't freak out…and she is the one that usually does.  Strange!  Are these meds typical?  I'm still working on what wet food to give.  Have read about several kinds on here I want to try.  Just don't have a petsmart or anything really close.  Grocery store and Wal Mart are the ones we have in town.  School is calming down some, so should be able to go soon to get a few new ones to try out. 

If you gave the cats an antibiotic or steroid you should start giving them a probiotic to get their gut back in shape.  I don't believe the pro pectalin is a probiotic it's more like a product for runny bowels like pepto bismol for cats.  For runny bowels you can give magnesium glucocate, or citrate because gluconate is hard to find or slippery elm powder mixe with some water and boiled to form a paste then cool it down and give a little.  It coats the insides and helps with inflammation of the stomach or intestines.

For their probiotic I use Source Naturals Bifidyn in powder form, has no other additives like capsules or pills have in them.  I give that along with some pumpkin, rice bran, taurine and occasional brewers yeast mixed in their food.  Seems to keep their gut healthy.  I also supplement with fish oil and Vit E and I do feed them people food protein almost everyday.  They like chicken, turkey, mackeral, chicken livers, hearts and so forth.    

12:04 pm
November 3, 2011


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calico said:

angiedsmith said:

Thanks for your responses guys.  I teach and school just started, so there hasn't been time to check back in here. 

The vet did tell me the name of the parasite, but didn't write it down.  I have no idea what it was.  Just that it was something an outside cat would usually – not an indoor cat.  The first meds the vet gave them:  panacur susp.  and pro pectalin.  The pro pectalin is the probiotic that is difficult to give.  I took another stool sample back last week to recheck and she said there was still bacteria in stool but no parasite.  She gave me metronidazole to give Henley to make sure everything was all clear.  This seems to have helped.  No runny stool going down the side of the liter box lately. 

I would really love to know how the parasite came to be since neither cat goes outside.  I have a screened in porch that they love.  Could that be where it came from?  I just want to prevent this from happening again if possible.  A nurse at the vet told me to  try giving the paste like probiotic with a tongue depressor scraping on the roof of mouth.  Kitty one still got it on her face ( my fault, I guess)  and ran around the house for several minutes like a wild child and then hid behind a door till she got her face clean.  I did better with the next kitty.  She also didn't freak out…and she is the one that usually does.  Strange!  Are these meds typical?  I'm still working on what wet food to give.  Have read about several kinds on here I want to try.  Just don't have a petsmart or anything really close.  Grocery store and Wal Mart are the ones we have in town.  School is calming down some, so should be able to go soon to get a few new ones to try out. 

If you gave the cats an antibiotic or steroid you should start giving them a probiotic to get their gut back in shape.  I don't believe the pro pectalin is a probiotic it's more like a product for runny bowels like pepto bismol for cats.  For runny bowels you can give magnesium glucocate, or citrate because gluconate is hard to find or slippery elm powder mixe with some water and boiled to form a paste then cool it down and give a little.  It coats the insides and helps with inflammation of the stomach or intestines.

For their probiotic I use Source Naturals Bifidyn in powder form, has no other additives like capsules or pills have in them.  I give that along with some pumpkin, rice bran, taurine and occasional brewers yeast mixed in their food.  Seems to keep their gut healthy.  I also supplement with fish oil and Vit E and I do feed them people food protein almost everyday.  They like chicken, turkey, mackeral, chicken livers, hearts and so forth.    

Nancy, do you have any experience with "hot" meats and "cold" meats – Trigg is supposed to avoid Chicken, for example, because he runs hotter in his body than other cats – this is the advice of the acupuncturist.  Just curious what you know about that.

3:14 am
November 12, 2011


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Jenny,

I will see what I can find out about the "hot" vs "cold" meats issue.  Do you know how they determined he needed cold meats?  And how was it determined that he runs hotter in his body than other cats?  I have never needed acupuncture for my cats, although some years ago I had extensive acupuncture done on myself for a chronic pain problem.  Just  an FYI, I actually came to enjoy the treatments, they calmed me and relaxed me, but did nothing to help my pain problem.   

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November 13, 2011


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I don't necessarily know how they figured it out other than from feeling him, his energy and his spine.I have also had acupuncture myself and they are calming and relaxing – I do think the acupuncturist makes a difference though. Pat Perkins really knows her stuff! And I have seen tremendous improvement in Trigg more than I did with Charlie, but that makes sense because she said Charlie was a very balanced animal – not the case with Trigg.

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November 14, 2011


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Jenny was Trigg having specific medical problems for which you decided to go with acupuncture?  When you say tremendous improvement, what was improved?  Just asking so I can look into this with more detail.  Hope you don't mind.

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November 15, 2011


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Trigg has skiddish tendencies – and I have no idea where they come from. He can be "spooked" by the dumbest things. And he was spooked for a long time leading up to the acupuncture, and when he came home he was more relaxed. Now on the tea pills, he is really calm. The tea pills are called "Shen calming" or something, so I call him "Shen Chigger" now! If you look into it, do make sure that the person doing it has been trained at the Chi Institute. I did do acupuncture on Rags and now in hindsight, I don't think the lady was a very good one.

7:52 am
November 30, 2011


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Jenny said:

Trigg has skiddish tendencies – and I have no idea where they come from. He can be "spooked" by the dumbest things. And he was spooked for a long time leading up to the acupuncture, and when he came home he was more relaxed. Now on the tea pills, he is really calm. The tea pills are called "Shen calming" or something, so I call him "Shen Chigger" now! If you look into it, do make sure that the person doing it has been trained at the Chi Institute. I did do acupuncture on Rags and now in hindsight, I don't think the lady was a very good one.

Hi Jenny,

I think the acupuncture is a good idea.  However, the tea pills are a Chinese herbal type supplement as far as I can see.  I don't agree with giving herbs to cats. 

Fruit, veg and herbs are toxic to cats and they tend to cause serious intestinal issues.  At the very least, they destroy the gut lining.  This is what concerns me about using an herbal product for a cat.  The harm is cummulative and gets worse with continued use, so at first eveything may look OK.  At least 80% of the cat's immune system cells are located in the gut.

 
It takes 3 or 4 months to grow a new gut lining to replace a damaged one, so transitions are not only about  learning to digest a new protein but may also be about having the gut lining to do it well – especially if prior food was toxic. Fruit, veg, herbs etc cause thickened gut walls in an attempt to protect the cat from all those toxins in its food that harm them and deplete their antioxidants – and that does not work well with new food that needs functional gut which is soft and flexible to digest the real food well.

This fruit/veg/herb damage is getting VERY widespread. For example, recently a kitten of an aquantance was recently given exploratory abdominal surgery – and what the vet found was thickened gut walls – it puzzled the vet as they expected the hardness to be cancer or granuloma. But sure enough the poor kitten had been fed the "holistic" garbage can full of fruit veg and herbs. Such damaged insides can not digest anything after a while at all. There is nothing beneficial in fruit, veg, herbs in food for cats. NOTHING. The things that are benficial to humans (called antioxidants) – are toxic oxidants (opposite of what they do in people) in cats – the same items work as poison to cats and beneficial to humans.

 
I think a better solution would be the bach flower essenses, rather than an herb formula.
 
I did look up the "hot" vs "cold" foods.  I don't know much about this, other than a cat my be allergic to some foods or just not processs them as well as others and then I see no problem with using the cold list of foods. Barley and Sweet Potato – ,Oats, Oatmeal or Corn are really not great for any cat.
 
If she feels this is a digestive problem, then giving herbs is only going to make matter worse in the long run, maybe not in the "short" run, but if there is a digestive gut problem to begine with herbs are only going to make it worse over time.
 
A healthy gut protocol, proper fiber, proper pre and pro biotics and high animal protein food should help.
 
JMHO, I'm only trying to help.
  

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January 24, 2012


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Whew! I finally got on here! Someone mentioned difficulty giving pills to cats. Our vet gave me a wonderful little tool they call a "pill popper". It works somewhat like a syringe for an injection except it is larger… and has a rubber tip on the end that has a little hole in it in which you place a pill, pull out the other end like giving a shot, open kitty's mouth and push the plunger in his throat. Works wonders! Our kitty has developed Clostridium…I am assuming from the boarding place because he was fine when we took him there…and I have been giving him Metronidazole for almost 2 weeks now. He is on his second course. After reading the posts/blogs and E mailing with Jennifer, I am going to start him on probiotics tomorrow and see if that helps. I wonder if Ragdolls have sensitive tummies or…what happened? We have left him at this boarder's place before so I doubt if it is stress, and she makes sure all her kitties have been immunized so I have no idea how he got this. Any suggestions? Thanks…

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Hopefully the metronidazole is helping – my kitty takes that from time to time for IBD.  It's a very bitter medication, and what's always worked for me is using a pill cutter and putting the pieces into a veggie cap.  Then I run the cap under water to make it slippery, open mouth and place as far back in the mouth as possible and it slides right down.  Right now he's on a 4-week course of amoxicillin for a kidney infection, and I cut that pill up with a piece of Pepcid for acid and put it all in the veggie cap.  He will be on probiotics as soon as his amoxicillin is done, so fortunately we have the routine down already.  He doesn't like it, but it's pretty painless and he knows he gets to eat when we're done, so he runs straight to the food bowl!

cheryl curb said:

Whew! I finally got on here! Someone mentioned difficulty giving pills to cats. Our vet gave me a wonderful little tool they call a "pill popper". It works somewhat like a syringe for an injection except it is larger… and has a rubber tip on the end that has a little hole in it in which you place a pill, pull out the other end like giving a shot, open kitty's mouth and push the plunger in his throat. Works wonders! Our kitty has developed Clostridium…I am assuming from the boarding place because he was fine when we took him there…and I have been giving him Metronidazole for almost 2 weeks now. He is on his second course. After reading the posts/blogs and E mailing with Jennifer, I am going to start him on probiotics tomorrow and see if that helps. I wonder if Ragdolls have sensitive tummies or…what happened? We have left him at this boarder's place before so I doubt if it is stress, and she makes sure all her kitties have been immunized so I have no idea how he got this. Any suggestions? Thanks…

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