Bad Ragdoll Breeders

| August 17, 2012 | 13 Comments

The other day on Facebook, I asked, “Do you think it’s bad karma for me to post a blog post about Ragdoll breeder that is notorious for adopting out sick cats?”

Thank you to those of you who responded.

I cannot recommend Ragdoll breeders, unfortunately there are too many things to take into account, so the best I can do is have a page on the site for Recommended Ragdoll Breeders and let the people (YOU!) with Ragdoll cats talk!

I get over 300 emails a day – from people asking advice to Ragdoll cat owners telling me horrible things about breeders.  Of course, some of the time, I realize it is not the breeder’s fault or the person that adopted the cat – sometimes there are just bad circumstances.  Let’s take FIP for example, my first cat, Skittles, died of FIP at 2 years old.  It wasn’t the breeder’s fault – we know that now, that it’s a freak thing.  Rags and Cosby came home together – Cosby died at 10 months old of FIP and Rags lived to be 19.5 years old – again, a freak thing that SUCKED.

Because I have not had a direct experience with the bad Ragdoll breeders I am told about – I cannot list them here.  But, if you are wondering about a specific breeder, I can always tell you what I have heard if you contact me.

Ways to Find Out If a Ragdoll Breeder is Bad:

  • Go to Google – search their cattery name plus the word, “bad” – for example, let’s say I am a breeder and my cattery name is “floppycats” – so you would enter, “floppycats bad” into Google
  • Go to Google – search their cattery name plus the word, “sick”
  • Go to Google – search their cattery name plus the word, “complaint”
  • Go to Google – search the human owner’s name and the cattery
  • Go to Google – search for just the cattery
  • Go to the Better Business Bureau and search for their name or any derivatives of it – for example, I would search for, “floppycats”, “floppy” and “floppy cats” if I were searching for my site.
  • Go to TICA’s site and search for the cattery name – if they are not registered there or CFA, it’s not a good sign.
  • Go to CFA’s site and search for the cattery name – if they are not registered there or TICA, it’s not a good sign.
  • Ask to speak to some of the people that have adopted from them
  • Visit Complaint Boards and enter the human name of the breeder and also the name of the cattery
  • Ask if people have had experience with a specific breeder on our Facebook page
  • Ask in our Ragdoll cat forum

You can also check out TICA’s file about what to look for in a good breeder.

Sharon Fincher of HiFancy Rags weighed in on what to look for in a recommended breeder:

“The one thing I know of that will not be found on the TICA or CFA websites is ‘HEART’   If you do not have a heart your animals will know it.  The simple  truth is that although there is a world of ‘good breeders’ as you say, out there. There are also just about as many that I would consider a bad breeder. Then again you are going to find those that at one time was among the best, yet somehow turned bad. My advise is that when new parents are considering a kitten, look at the reality of it. After all no matter what name they carry, they are cats. They have special needs just as people do. You cannot just toss one in a room and a happy family does it make!  Not by a long shot! Do your homework on the breed you are interested in. If you are able, go to a couple cat shows, learn from the exhibitors what to expect and what to do. It is not the kittens fault because he feels no love. They have their little quirks you are going to have to learn. They will teach you if you just listen to them. They do not understand when they are tossed from one home to another continually. They become angry and will lash out as if to say ‘ just leave me alone’. Good breeders will do a complete background check on the new parents. Qustions like do they have other animals? Do they treat them well? Do they take their animals to the vet when needed and keep vaccines up to date?  How many children are in the home and their ages? There could be an allergy factor you have to address. It is not easy by any means, by either party. You just cross your fingers, say a prayer and hope that you have made the right choice.”

Sharon Shulby of Magnadolz Ragdolls also weighed in on what to look for in a recommended breeder:

“I don’t care for the statement that ‘if a breeder is not certified by TICA of CFA, this is not a good sign’. I’ve found many good breeders who aren’t ‘certified’ by either group simply because the breeder can’t afford it or doesn’t want to do everything CFA/TICA wants the breeder to do.

I’m a member of CFA and TICA and my litters are registered in both organizations, but I’m not certified. I’m in the process, but it is very expensive and time consuming.

I would remind people that this is like a wedding. It must be a match between breeder, buyer and animal. With honesty, open communication and truthfulness on the part of the humans.

I would tell anyone looking to ‘adopt’ a Ragdoll that they should understand ‘adopting’ a Ragdoll from a breeder isn’t like getting a free kitten from a box at the grocery store. Even the SPCA charged $125 when I ‘adopted’ a cat from them. We like to be politically correct and say ‘adopt’, when we should really say ‘sale’.

As a breeder, I screen potential parents. If I get a call from someone who wants a cat ‘right now-it’s a birthday present for my_____(child, spouse, friend, whatever), I tell them I have no available kittens. I don’t want this kitten to be a spur of the moment, last minute, gotta have a gift decision. I also don’t sell kittens as last minute holiday gifts. If you really want to bring a kitten into your home, Christmas Day stuffed into a stocking is great for a Norman Rockwell painting, but probably isn’t in the kitten’s best interest. Give a stuffed cat and bring the kitten home after there’s less chaos in the home-the holiday festivities are over, family has left, gift wrappings disposed of, decorations packed away, food and beverages cleaned up.

I’ve lost sales, and that’s ok, I must do what’s in the best interest, safety and well-being of the cat. I don’t get returns when the novelty has worn off!

Please tell your readers that a contract is just that. It is a legal and binding agreement. I review the contract with the buyers and have them initial every paragraph. It says that the buyer needs to take the animal to their vet within 72 hrs. That’s non-negotiable. If your vet feels this kitten has something that makes it ‘not fit for sale’, you must return the kitten and I will replace the kitten or refund your money at that time. If this is done within 72 hrs, it’s less likely that the buyer will want to keep the kitten and still get a replacement or a refund. (I’ve NEVER had a kitten come back like this!) Please don’t call me and complain that there’s a problem 6 weeks later! I guarantee my cats for a year to be free from genetic problems. I will replace a kitten (with a necropsy report) for even longer. But, if your cat has been injured, exposed to another cat who was sick and yours is now sick, please don’t expect me to pay your vet bills. I’m very specific in my contract as to how to care for the cat, what to feed it, how to introduce it to your home AND how/when to add other animals. If the buyer doesn’t follow the contract, what do they want from me?

My ‘pet’ quality cats are just that. Pets. They are NOT show and/or breed quality. They are de-sexed before leaving me. The blue slip reflects this. Please don’t ask me to change the blue slip. You certainly can show an ‘altered’ Ragdoll, but don’t complain when they don’t win. They won’t. That’s why they’re ‘pets’.

I am unable to return your purchase price after the cat leaves my home because you’ve changed your mind, your living situation has changed or whatever.

If, in the event you can no longer keep your Ragdoll, the contract states the cat will be offered back to me. If I can rehome the cat, I will give you the $ received from the new owner. (Usually under $300)

I don’t take deposits as I’ve had too many change their mind for a variety of reasons. Meanwhile, someone else has expressed a desire to buy that cat, the cat has missed out on a forever home and the first family then wants their deposit back. Now, the cat is older and the price drops. It’s a cash and carry process. (Of course, you’ll get a receipt!) I don’t have to worry about a check bouncing, or payment being stopped or credit cards being refused, reversed or whatever. Too many breeder friends have been cheated, lied to and basically had cats stolen from them. What kind of treatment can I expect for this precious animal if they’re dishonest with me?

Please don’t ask to take the cat home at 8 weeks old. I know they’re ‘cute’, but they shouldn’t be away from the family for several more weeks. I don’t care if it’s a birthday/holiday present. They need the socialization until 12 weeks. Also, they are still receiving immunizations/spay/neuter/registration.

Remind your readers that if the breeder doesn’t show/copy genetic testing for both parents, ask to see it. If they don’t have it, go to another breeder!! You can absolutely get a ‘darling’ RD kitten from some breeders for $350, but, there’s been no HCM, FHP, FLV testing on the parents. You could be setting yourself (and your cat) up for a short lifetime of heart problems, leukemia, and other diseases AND heartache!!

“Pay me now or pay the vet later”

A Ragdoll kitten, pet quality, from a responsible breeder should run $650 up to $1,000!!

I will NOT bad mouth my fellow breeders! Some potential parents spend weeks kitten shopping at every local breeders. Kind of like the ‘looky-loos’ at a real estate open house.

Then, they want to tell me how imperfect someone else’s kittens are. Sorry, I don’t play that game. Some of my best friends are fellow Ragdoll  breeders and I have nothing but good things to say about them. If you call me and tell me that you want a certain color/sex and I don’t have one, I will even send you to one of them because I know what they have!

If you’ve never been owned by a Ragdoll, I can (and will) spend weeks educating you on the care/feeding of them. You can call anytime for anything you’re concerned about. Unless I’m in a show ring/driving, I will answer the phone and your questions.

Please remember NEVER to declaw your cat. Most people don’t understand what declawing does! In my contract, is a clause with $1,000 fine per toe for any declawing (the money is donated to several rescues that I donate to). If you’re not willing to spend some time training your Ragdoll not to claw your leather couch, please don’t get one!! (Couch OR Ragdoll). The kittens know how to use a scratching post, litter box and food dish when they leave here. When you get them home, PLEASE spend some time showing them where these things are!

The breeder should have both parents. Some don’t have Kings, but ASK!!

I show potential parents both of the Ragdoll parents even before they see the kittens. ‘The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree’. Realize Ragdoll Kings can be 20-22# and Queens up to around 12-14#. Of course, there is the lighter end (15# Kings and 8#Queens). Remember, the Ragdoll is the second largest domestic breed (second only to the Maine Coons). So, your little 4# kitten may become a BIG boy!!

If you want a cat that isolates and ‘does it’s own thing’, perhaps a Ragdoll isn’t a good choice for you. Usually, (and I always say usually, because there’s always that one that doesn’t fit into all of the characteristics of the breed), Ragdoll want to be with you/the family. They WANT to be in your lap, at your side, involved with everything that’s going on in your home. They think they’re dogs, come when called, fetch, and will wait by the door for your return!

Please understand, I’m NOT being ‘mean’, ‘controlling’ or ‘neglectful’ when I tell you that Ragdoll are indoor cats!! And if you tell me that your Ragdoll will be allowed outside, you won’t be going home with one of mine! If outside, they will either be stolen, picked up as strays, or victims of other animals/cars. You can always install a ‘catio’, which is an enclosed patio if you have a burning desire for them to be outdoors and still be safe. I even have mixed feelings about walking them on a leash. Too many diseases transmitted on the streets!

Please don’t be offended when I have you remove your shoes before you come into my home. Again, too many diseases transmitted on a shoe! My cats are not caged (unless it’s a new Mamma and babies) and they have the run of the home. When potential parents go into a breeders home, tell them to take a minute and breathe! There shouldn’t be ‘cat box odor’. The Ragdoll should come to greet the PP. If everyone runs and hides, this isn’t a good sign. That means these cats are not socialized properly.

PP should realize this isn’t a business; it’s a passion for me. I’m doing this to enhance the breed. Ok, built a better, stronger, more perfect Ragdoll. I’m not doing this to populate the world with Ragdoll, so that everyone who thinks they’d like one can have one. (I’d like a mansion in Malibu, too)

There’s a phrase “if you want to make a small fortune as a Ragdoll breeder, start with a large fortune!!”

So true!

When you figure the cost of the vet, the immunizations, the Queen’s food, the time spent working with the kittens (assuming all goes well at birth), the registration paperwork, the de-sexing, breeders don’t make money!
Have your potential parents ask if the breeder shows the cats.

Don’t get me wrong, showing isn’t for everyone. I wouldn’t necessarily rule out a breeder simply because they don’t show.

For me, showing is an integral part of my breeding program. The cats are judges on breed standard. The shape of the eyes, head, color of the eyes, body structure, color, length of their tail, placement of their feet (for hip problems), their coat texture, grooming, breath, AND their personality. Not all cats like to show. Not all cats SHOULD be shown. Many will show for a while, then decide they don’t want to do this anymore. Especially when the get hormonal. I must pay attention to the signs they give as to when it’s time to not show that cat any longer.

But, at a show, breeders can find out if the cat has an imperfection that they need to be aware of before they DO breed. Or maybe that cat shouldn’t be bred. It can be the sweetest cat, but, if there’s an imperfection, may be best not to reproduce.

I would encourage potential parents to attend a cat show. Talk to the exhibitors. Look at their cats. Look at the breeder. See how they interact with the cat, the other exhibitors AND the general public!
See how they react after the ring. How did the cat do? How does the breeder treat other people who beat or loose to their cat?

Since a cat lives for up to 20 yrs, it HAS to be a match between potential parents, breeder AND cat! Come to my home; spend some time with the kittens. It’s said that ‘you don’t pick a cat, a cat picks you’.

Please think about allergies. If you suspect you’re allergic, some visit and see what happens. If you have a reaction, maybe you want to take something (Zyrtec or the like) and try it again.

It drives me batty when I hear stories about people who take a cat home, and call 3 months later wanting to return it because they’re allergic.

Potential parents  need to understand that responsible breeders spend HOURS with every kitten from every litter! Some don’t work outside of the home and they spend even more time with the kittens. Ensuring that every kitten ‘gets a seat at the table’, even ‘the runt’, every kitten is kept clean, birthing box clean, fresh food/water/litter for Mamma cat. Touching, rubbing, interacting with the kittens, introducing them to the litter box and their first solid food. Playing with them and teaching them how to play!

Understand that a little piece of me goes with every kitten that leaves me. My goal is to have them in homes where they’re wanted ‘forever’, loved, cherished and valued!

Many breeders have cat sitters. When the breeder is gone, someone is in attendance at the house. My kittens have someone with them 24/7. I also have an alarm system and ‘kitten cams’ installed throughout the house for safety, security and entertainment! I know a breeder in Redondo Beach who (2 weeks ago) had her home broken into and 6 Turkish Van 8 week olds and 2 Turkish Van 12 week old kittens were stolen!! Heavens! I’d lose my mind if that happened here!
There seems to be a myth that Ragdoll don’t shed, and they don’t need much grooming because they don’t have an under coat, which makes them perfect for folks with allergies.

This simply isn’t true. I know of NO responsible breeder who would tell you that!

They DO shed! I spend time every night brushing coats and teeth of every cat here!!

It’s comforting for them, helps keep their coats looking good and provides human interaction. So critical for ALL animals!

Please don’t call and ask for a ‘cheap one because I’m on a limited budget/fixed income’. While I do discount a second kitten going to the same household or repeat family, I can’t justify putting a financial burden onto someone who’s already strained. Realize that ANY animal is expensive and will need vet care, immunizations, food, litter for perhaps 20 yrs. Maybe you could foster an animal, volunteer at the shelter or local rescue.

I forget the annual amount ‘they’ say it costs for an animal. It has to be over $2,000 per cat!

Having said all of this, I’m not really as mean as I may sound. But, my first priority is the health, happiness, well-being and safety of the cats. I dislike people who mistreat cats (or any animals) or can’t tell me the truth. I don’t like people with agenda’s!”

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Hi, I’m Jenny Dean, creator of Floppycats! Ever since my Aunt got the first Ragdoll cat in our family, I have loved the breed. Inspired by my childhood Ragdoll cat, Rags, I created Floppycats to connect, share and inspire other Ragdoll cat lovers around the world,

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  1. Kim Maxwell says:

    I like your post Jenny. I am working on a breeders list on my site but I have never bought from a breeder so I can not give an opinion either way. However, in researching for the list I was shocked at how many do come up on some kind of complaint board. I know that every breeder can not make every client happy. If I were researching to buy and someone had more than a few bad reviews or complaints though- I’d move on to someone else. BTW- good way to handle the posting of the topic!

  2. JennR says:

    Great post ! ! This gives a lot of research options for those searching out a breeder. Hopefully no one else has to go through what I did or to what the others I read about did ! !

  3. Geo says:

    Jenny, thanks for providing another GREAT service to Floppycats readers. Choosing a good breeder is so important! And people need to know what to look for, what questions to ask, and what the ‘red flags’ are. Since I adopted my first Ragdoll,I’ve learned so much I wish I had known earlier!

    • Amanda says:

      I’m with you Geo, looking back now I know I wouldn’t have bought from the breeder I did. Don’t get me wrong, I worship my RD but I now see a lot of red flags. Studding out the male, trading kittens, no contracts or receipts of any kind, no pets or breeding cats roaming around to see and NO discount for buying two. Never saw a pedigree or proof the parents tested negative for all things. Just gives me a bad feeling looking back even though the breeder was a very nice person. I originally bought two kitties but the 2nd one ended up sick on the 4th day and long story short was returned and I received a refund but my heart is still torn up over it because I loved him so much. When the day comes that I finally do get a second RD I am going to be extremely prepared and picky.

  4. Carolyn says:

    Not true – FIP is very much in breeders control. My vet has asked me to contact the breeder of our FIP kitten because the parents should be neutered. the disease has a definite genetic component. You can send your animals DNA to contribute to research to Dr Pedersen, and fluid samples to Dr addie
    http://www.sockfip.org/fip-studies/112-about-the-uc-davis-fip-genetic-study-from-drs-pedersen-and-lyons.html

  5. Kelly Wilson says:

    In 2004 we adopted 2 beautiful ragdoll kittens from Brier Rose Ragdolls in southwestern iowa. They were so beautiful. One of our kittens came to us with an eye infection, the other was just fine. They grew into such amazing boys! The problems started when they both turned 7-years-old. I have been a cat parent all my life, and I have never had cats with health problems like this. Mojo developed severe asthma that nearly killed him. He was saved, but it cost a fortune. He now requires very expensive inhaler treatments twice per day, and an oral steroid every day. While he is doing ok, for the past year his breathing becomes very rattled and distressed if he does not receive his medication on time. We have now had to add an additional medication, but we are not sure how long he will be able to handle all of those treatments. Of course we will do whatever we can, but we are sad about his condition.

    The other cat from Brier Rose was Manny. We got he and Mojo together, but they were 3 weeks apart with different parents. He was a mitted seal point, a very big cat with a healthy weight, with an adorable personality, and absolutely gorgeous. he began suffering from severe arthritis in his right front leg after he turned 7. We did everything for him to keep him healthy and mobile, including message, laser treatments, recommended supplements, and steroids. He became entirely immobile in 3 legs and was unable to go poo without medication. His bones deteriorated quickly over the course of about one year. He was eventually in so much pain and no longer had any quality of life. He died last week. He was only 8 years old. We are heartbroken about it. The vet believed he had an aggressive auto-immune disease that destroyed his joints.

    if it was one cat from this breeder, i would not be writing this. this is 2 cats from 2 different sets of parents. The cats are lovely, but I would never ever recommend anyone buy from this breeder.

  6. Rhana Wyble says:

    I blame both myself and the breeder for the problems I had. I have rescued kittens and cats since I was a little girl, my mom did it, so it was nothing for me to bring a cat home. I knew how to bottle feed kittens and bury them when I was very young, my mom was too heartbroken to do what had to be done. I’ve picked up a mother cat and her 3 kittens from my beauty shop parking lot, when we were moving into a brand new house with the 3 cats and 2 large dogs we already had. One of the girls at my vet, every time she saw me would bring out kittens managed to pawn 3 on me at 3 different times. I’ve had 2 left at my front door in a cat carrier. I just wanted to kind of show you how my feelings were about rescuing kitties, I had thought about having a bred cat, but never dreamed I’d get one, because I was too busy saving all the kitties. It was just a couple of years ago I heard about Ragdolls and had been obsessed with them every since. At the end of last year I started looking through the internet at Cattery’s. The first one I found made me fill out an application about my animal experience and what animals I have, she was impressed, but she didn’t have any kittens and wouldn’t for a long time, she recommended another place, they also wouldn’t have any until the end of this year. Already filled with orders. I found this website Cattery RagdollsKittensandCats.com they had location here in Texas, Louisiana, SC, NY and Nevada. I contacted them and looked at some pictures but, I was on the fence then, I had no idea what I was doing. The girls name was Leah and she kept emailing me and sending me pictures and showed look like when they were full grown, I found thus gorgeous Seal Bi-Color, 11 days old and signed the contract and sent a rather deposit, higher then the other Catterys. After a few weeks, I emailed Leah and asked if I could have an updated picture of Sean. She said she’d have to ask for one, I emailed back and said what do you mean. She said he’s with the breeder, I told her I thought you were the breeder, she said no, I work with her. Then a week before I’m suppose to pick him up, she emails me and says I can’t come get him, he’s not eating like he should. I need to wait 2 more weeks, so 3 days before I’m suppose to get him again she emails me and says I can’t have him he’s sick their having to force feed him. I’m sorry, but I immediately felt something was fishy about the whole thing, if he was sick they knew 3 days before I was suppose to pick him up. I wanted my deposit back, they wouldn’t give it to me, even though it was not my fault I didn’t get the kitten and they didn’t have another kitten I wanted. So for 2 months we went back and worth and she would send pictures, but they were nothing like the little Seal Bi-Color I had already fallen in love with and they were way above my price range. She said and I read in the contract that I could go $200 above what my first kitten was, Leah found a Ragamuffin that was very similar to what Sean looked like, but it was $100 over the price, she came back with a price that didn’t even honor their own contract. So I got so fed up with it and this is after I found Merlin’s Hope In Ennis, TX that takes in the throw-away Ragdolls, so I went to their discounted page to find one of their kittens that was having a hard time getting bought and I found a solid white Ragdoll and only paid a little bit more then what I had already given them. Since he’s been here I’ve already figured out, they don’t let the kittens spend time together playing and socializing with other kittens, because he’s mean and my 2 year old male plays with him like he’s full grown. They de-flead him just days before I picked him up, because my Vet was digging a massive amount of black goop out of his ear, but it didn’t show ear mites, so she said they must have just killed them. He also was not use to being picked up. I’m still on their email list and they are constantly having new babies. Unfortunately, I believe this is a kitty mill, fortunately, I belong to a very, very large group of people who are trying to put an end to animal abuse. In all of this when I went to pick my kitten up, they had me meet a girl at a gas station outside of Lake Charles, LA, was not even Leah or the breeder, I don’t even know the breeder’s name. I do have the full name of the girl I met and wrote the check out to. So, I do blame myself, for not doing more research before I decided on a kitten. I’ve never bought/adopted a breed cat before, I should have known better. I blame the breeder, because they are strictly in it for the money, they do not care for the health and well-being of the kittens/cats and these are the ones that make the good ones look bad to people like me. I know there are good ones out there, because of the first one I contacted. The bad ones have to be shut down, so the good ones can continue what they love to do. I do love my Ragdoll, he will be 4 months on 7/23, my husband who said if I got another cat he would move out (this makes 6) carries him around “Flopped Out” on his arm all the time. Thank you.

  7. Gloria Adler says:

    BEWARE OF JESSICA PERRY breeder in Wichita Falls, Texas. She sells sick and dying kittens..she over interbreeds. She claims they have had their shots and they haven’t. She changes names and locations often and the law has come close to getting her many times. I gave her $1800. for a “calico ragdoll” and found out there is no such breed. I signed a contract with her that stated I could not get my money back, only another of her sick cats. Because of her contract, the bank Visa would not stand behind me. So I am out my money and have no kitten because I refuse to take her sick kitten. Check out Bad Ragdoll Breeders and you can read about how many people got her sick and dying kittens and invested $2000-4000. in vet bills only to have the cat die within 2-6 months. I am in contact with someone who worked for her and didn’t get paid and he said the cats are all so sick they need to be euthenized.
    I am helping him get the proper authorities to put her out of business.

  8. ontarioragdoll says:

    I would like to add that we had an awful experience with Cindy the O’Canada Ragdoll breeder from Kitchener, Ontario. She was non-communicative and unprofessional as we waited for 3 months as the kitten grew up. Ultimately, she provided various lies and cancelled the adoption. We have no kitten but one heartbroken young child. I know we are not the first family to have experienced this terribly unprofessional behaviour from this breeder.

  9. Jessi says:

    PLEASE stay away from ragdollkittens.com also has been known as Elegant ragdolls & Lovely rag dolls. Jessica Perry and Leah are running a mill of sick and dying kittens. They will not hold true to there contract. You will only get a reply from anyone if you are inquiring about purchasing one after that you are cut off. After you have your baby fixed you will not be getting your papers. There website is very impressive so as a “newbie” buying a rag doll i was easily tricked as well as many others. They have lived in several states doing this. When things get to heated they move. They also screen there phone calls so will not answer people who have purchased one. I just hope this can help anyone who reads and is looking for a new baby.

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